10262 ES 5090 Block installation problem

TheOriginalAHol

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Went to install my MSI 5090 Ventus 3X OC onto the 10262 ES block today. Everything seemed to be going well until I got to installing the original GPU back plate. The original screws will not screw into the provided spots on the block. They are either the wrong thread pitch or not the correct size, it certainly looks to me that they are the incorrect size. This is blocking installation
 

hond1974

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I confirm, I have the same problem with an MSI Ventus 3X OC graphics card. The thread to fix the rear plate of the CPU does not match the thread of the 10262 1-Slot block. Original MSI graphics card M2.5 thread while the 10262 block has an M2 thread.
 

hond1974

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Here is the response from Alphacool support: "
Hello,
MSI uses different screws than Inno3D, which normally define the reference design. We weren't aware of this until recently, as MSI normally uses Inno3D's standard reference design.
We have alternative screws that we can send you"

Now we have to wait for the new screws to arrive ;)
 

TheOriginalAHol

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Yes I got a response also. Seems like they would actually check what they are doing instead of assuming... Begs the question what else have they gotten wrong. They are sending screws via "maxi pack" which could take "significantly longer than a week", I asked to expedite shipping and provide a tracking number and I was told this is "out of their control".

I also received this email. "Well, this would not work, you can not use the backplate from the air cooler, you have to use the backplate from the water block." Seems a bit non-sensical and someone has no idea what they are actually talking about.

I can see why so many people are upset with how this company is handling things. They send a product that doesn't work because of their error and then says the fix will show up sometime in the next couple of months...

@Eddy, is there a reason the screws cannot be expedited?
 

Eddy

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@TheOriginalAHol
I believe there was a misunderstanding in translation regarding the backplate. I looked at the email, and I think my colleague understood you to be referring to the full-size backplate from the air cooler — the one that typically covers the entire card — and that this one cannot be used, and instead you have to use the one that comes with the water block. He wasn’t referring to the small black X-shaped GPU mounting bracket.
It’s a bit tricky to explain, because technically both parts are referred to as a "backplate."
I hope that clarifies what I meant.

The situation with this cooler is as follows:
We only found out later that the MSI Ventus uses the reference design. Originally, only Inno3D used that reference design — or rather, they currently define it on behalf of Nvidia.
No one expected MSI to use different screws for that small, cross-shaped GPU mounting bracket than Inno3D. We also didn’t receive any information about that. That’s why this issue only affects the MSI Ventus model in combination with this cooler.

As for the shipping:
Small parts like this are always sent via Maxi Letter, that’s a general rule for all spare parts we ship. Otherwise, the shipping costs would simply be too high. A small package to countries like the USA, Australia, or Japan, just for a few screws, is incredibly expensive. When serving a global customer base, sending such items by parcel would result in significant additional costs — costs that would ultimately have to be factored into product pricing.

Of course, in individual cases like this one, it’s frustrating — I totally understand that. But we have to draw a line somewhere.
 

TheOriginalAHol

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Under normal circumstances the maxi letter as a general rule, understood. This isn't normal circumstances and YOU messed up, so do what it takes to make it right, I already paid for your product that isn't correct. This isn't a "spare part", this is an essential part to make your product function, without it, it DOES NOT FUNCTION. You would factor your screw up into product pricing? That makes zero sense. Terrible customer service.
How many of these did you ship out that customers may have a problem with, anyone with an MSI card correct? Have you contacted customers? Or are you expecting all of your customers to take apart their cards to find the issue then come asking for help? What's your plan to fix the issue moving forward?

"No one expected"? Do you not validate and verify? Clearly not. Pathetic engineering.

It's frustrating because your company isn't doing their due diligence and then the response is unfortunately all too typical today. German engineering USED to mean something. Have some pride in the product you deliver and acknowledge and fix your errors when you make a mistake.
You drew the line in the wrong place.

I guarantee I will dissuade at least one person from purchasing your product and I certainly never will again. Now you are loosing revenue because you can't handle a simple issue correctly and it was "too expensive" to expedite the shipping of a few tiny screws and make it right for the customer.

Provide the screw specs so I can try to source them myself.
 
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KJ1223

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I really wish I had seen this thread earlier — it would have saved me from running into the same problem.

My experience is exactly the same as what’s described here.

At first, the screws felt a bit tight when going in, but I didn’t realize it was a compatibility issue. I assumed it was just tighter manufacturing tolerances, so I slowly tightened them in. Later on, I found that several of the screws simply wouldn’t go in at all, so I decided to take everything off. Unfortunately, during removal, one of the screws seized completely and ended up pulling the standoff out from inside the coldplate. The bracket is now stuck, and even after turning the screw until it stripped, I still couldn’t get it out.

As a customer, I fully trusted Alphacool’s installation guide — especially since this card was listed as supported. So I had no reason to suspect there would be a mismatch between the screws and the standoffs. But that mismatch has now caused an entirely different problem I need to deal with…

I contacted Alphacool support, and they kindly responded, saying that MSI’s Ventus cards may come in multiple hardware variants. They offered to send me a replacement block and alternative screws, which I immediately accepted.

However, it’s now been over a week since I replied, and I haven’t received any further response or shipping confirmation. I’m not sure if it got delayed or overlooked, but I’ll follow up again.

Just sharing my full experience here in case it helps others — this really seems to be a compatibility issue between the MSI backplate screws and the Alphacool 10262 block.
 

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Eddy

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@KJ1223
Actually, all emails up to and including last Sunday have been answered. I’d recommend writing to them again and kindly asking for an update on the replacement shipment. It may have been overlooked or forgotten — things are extremely busy at the moment.
 

TheOriginalAHol

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Another customer that has gotten screwed over. I was told by support the specs of the screws that they are supposed to be sending. Of course I've seen nothing yet. Having said that, I don't agree with the replacement that they are suggesting.
I put mine together using M2 screws and got very close to the original screw specs, which are not fully threaded for a reason.
If anyone wants to know what I did you can contact me.

@Eddy why haven't you guys contacted customers tell them of the issue?
 

Eddy

Iceman
Staff member
Why don’t you agree with using the replacement screws? I honestly don’t understand that. These are the exact screws that will be included by default in the future. Whether the thread is continuous or not makes absolutely no difference. These are M2x8 screws, which is what will be supplied going forward.
It’s really only a handful of customers who are affected by this issue. As for why we didn’t reach out to them directly... good question. I honestly can’t give you an answer to that at the moment.
 

hond1974

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Another customer that has gotten screwed over. I was told by support the specs of the screws that they are supposed to be sending. Of course I've seen nothing yet. Having said that, I don't agree with the replacement that they are suggesting.
I put mine together using M2 screws and got very close to the original screw specs, which are not fully threaded for a reason.
If anyone wants to know what I did you can contact me.

@Eddy why haven't you guys contacted customers tell them of the issue?


I'd like to know what solution you used, as I still haven't received the replacement screws.

Thank you.
 
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